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Wifi vs POE

trying to debate which would work best for me. I would like to install between 4-6 cameras around house and workshop. All of which will be outside. I have very strong (Linksys VELOP) Wifi signal coverage. But I have had 2 foscam and one no-name Wifi camera, temporary installations and it seams like I am constantly having issues and having to reset them. As for a permanent installation i sometimes feel that running a low voltage CAT 5e (for poe) would be easier in most cases than running outlets to where I want cameras at.
any opinions are appreciated

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20 Thoughts to “Wifi vs POE”

  1. BrokenBehindBluEyez

    Poe all the way wifi cameras will eat bandwidth and yes Poe vs ac is easier.

  2. hhhax7

    POE for sure.

  3. automate_the_things

    uEthernet is MUCH easier to run, and doesn’t require permits and/or licensed installers (in most places) like AC lines often do.

    WiFi cameras are basically WiFi jammers. WiFi can only have 1 device sending or receiving at time. If you have 6 cameras, all transmitting nearly continuously, it’ll REALLY slow down the WiFi for everything. WiFi should really only ever be used for devices that have mobility as a functional requirement. If it’s stationary, it should be wired, if at all possible. Your VELOP might have good signal strength, but like all mesh networks, your actual throughput won’t be remotely close to what wired APs provide, and I still wouldn’t recommend using WiFi cameras even with a wired AP. Additionally, most exterior walls put a sizable attenuation on WiFi signal, causing both the AP and client to have to up their broadcast power, further hosing up the network. Just don’t do WiFi and especially not on a mesh WiFi setup.

  4. ZippyTheChicken

    if you are using your own switch for POE many of them don’t power on all ports so keep that in mind while shopping

    1. mioduz

      i havent purchased any hardware but thats good to know thank you

      1. realcoinsonly

        For example the 8 port switch from Ubiquity has 4 ports that are PoE.

        They also have an 8 port 8 port poe

  5. mioduz

    Ok next question is…..if i am going to go with PoE which seams like the right way to handle this, what brand camera does everyone recommend. And finally is it worth messing with blue Iris or similar?
    I have plenty of old towers that i could repurpose as a NVR but is it worth the time fooling around with setting up blue iris or just get a dedeicated NVR from one of the players in the game. I see Foscam has a 8 channel NVR with 4 PoE cameras bundled for $389. Again any suggestions on brand are appreciated. I have installed some high end commercial stuff years back (for an employer) but that is way out of the price range that I am looking to spend for this relatively simple project right now.

    1. poopslinger_01

      I’d look into Ubiquiti gear. It’s lower end business but high end for consumer. Get their unifi line (edgrmax is cheaper but doesn’t have all the config settings on the web interface like unifi)

      They have cameras and a DVR that work well together.

      I’d also recommend heading over to r/homelab to look at some network setups.
      Ideally the cameras themselves shouldn’t have direct internet access as these types of devices may not always have the latest vulnerabilities patched and could become compromised as part of a botnet.
      The DVR should be your POC if you’re looking for remote access.

    2. Sterkenburg

      There’s like a million threads on camera recommendations but I can summarize it into: The best optics are provided by Dahua and Hikvision. Axis and Foscam are names you’ll hear a lot, particularly Foscam when they have a new vulnerability every month. I don’t have experience with [Ubiquiti](https://unifi-sdn.ubnt.com/#surveillance) cameras but I understand it is a semi-closed system with very good internal compatibility between their cameras, NVRs, and networking.

      * Never, ever connect any camera or NVR system to the Internet, [or](http://pt.dahuasecurity.com/pt/annoucement-14731.html) it [will](https://threatpost.com/foscam-issues-patches-for-vulnerabilities-in-ip-cameras/132738/) get [hacked](https://www.csoonline.com/article/3269199/security/critical-hikvision-flaw-could-be-remotely-exploited-to-hijack-cameras-dvrs-and-accounts.html), and you will probably notice when you need to retrieve footage and it is permanently bricked and hasn’t been recording, or when your ISP cuts you off for sending high-volume spam emails, taking part in DDoS attacks, and distributing malware.
      If you absolutely need access from elsewhere, either [use a VPN](https://ipcamtalk.com/wiki/how-to-secure-your-network-don-t-get-hacked/) into the camera network to do it safely, or pay out the rear for a subscription service like [Ring](https://shop.ring.com/pages/protect-plans) or [Nest](https://nest.com/ca/cameras/nest-aware/).

      * Wide-angle lenses are not your friend. Yes, one camera can probably film [your entire backyard](https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HT1d0UdFG8XXXagOFbXq/201409749/HT1d0UdFG8XXXagOFbXq.jpg?size=128689&height=593&width=800&hash=1182b02d29edcf725fb9174dd41c4ade), but a narrower field of view (higher mm lens) gives more detail. If you double the area covered by the camera, every object in the video will have half the resolution. The difference between 12 pixels across someone’s face and 6 pixels is the difference between identifying them, and maybe knowing their race.

      * Bigger numbers are not always better. 4MP cameras almost universally perform substantially worse in low light conditions compared to 2MP cameras. Higher resolution cameras means larger video files, which means shorter retention times. All of that [doesn’t mean](https://youtu.be/ZkAUosDyLnI) lower is better either – it depends on your use case.

      Camera systems are like computers. If you want to do some research and build your own you can, and for the same (or a lower) price you will get better quality cameras, more features and better implementation of those features, and a more future proof product. If you don’t feel like doing that research and configuration you can buy an all-in-one system that will definitely work, but won’t be the best at anything.

      [This document](https://ipcamtalk.com/wiki/ip-cam-talk-cliff-notes/) is the best place to start in doing your own research.

      1. NativeAtlantan

        Th UniFi (Ubiquiti) NVR has a cloud option where you authenticate at the main Ubiquity URL and they will hand you off to your local NVR without requiring any port forwarding on your router or directly exposing ports to the open internet. This is a more secure way to view video without exposing your internal network.

        1. Zeomax

          Have you worked with those NVRs? This looks like an attractive option that I may test on my own.

    3. Kv603

      If you go with cameras claiming “ONVIF Profile S Version 2…” conformance, you shouldn’t have to worry about what brand of camera of NVR you have, as ONVIF devices are (usually) interoperable, you can mix-and-match now and in the future.

    4. BrokenBehindBluEyez

      For the price (I think they are/were on sale, check slickdeals) I highly recommend Reolink. I’ve got 6 around my house some as old as 3 years. Just lost one to a lightning strike, it was just under 2 years old and they are replacing for just the cost of shipping – couldn’t be happier.

      I paired the cameras with Milestone software (free up to 8 cameras) and the solution works great.

  6. kettelbe

    I just finished installing 5 cameras at home:
    Inside i used dlink camera, one is motorized, outside a dlink dcs4602ev, nice one, but fixed, and one trednet ip440, but i had a hard time with that one, i recommend tp link switch and injector, they are cheap.

    And for controlling, a synology ds1812 that i have for a long time for work 🙂

    If you want more info, i can list the objects 🙂

  7. Jaereth

    >As for a permanent installation i sometimes feel that running a low voltage CAT 5e (for poe) would be easier in most cases than running outlets to where I want cameras at.

    Absolutely. I would run Cat6 just to have the newest feasible wiring.

    Also, Ethernet is going to work best for the application. Video is a lot of data over the network and putting six IP cameras on your wifi is going to make a broadcast hell hole of your house.

  8. Chemical_Suit

    I have both. I started with Wifi/Ring then I added PoE/Axis. I like both. I think the Ring cameras are great for what they are. The issue I had was with image quality.

    1. lfaire

      Why did you add PoE ? I like handy features most WiFi cams have like motion detection and arm disarm modes. It seems Poe cams lacks those features

      1. Chemical_Suit

        I hinted at it above but I wanted a much higher quality image. I bought the axis p1434-le which is poe powered. I also bought and installed a hybrid whitelight/IR light which is also poe powered. They are the outer perimeter of my security system and give me the most accurate and obvious interactions with anyone on my property or near by.

        The rings are much closer to the door/inside of the house and work well when a person comes to the door to ring the ring doorbell for example. People walking by, it is not as good.

  9. Kv603

    When shopping for PoE cameras, make sure you get real IEEE 802.3af (PoE) or 802.3at-2009 (PoE+), and not something like “Passive PoE” or Foscam/zModo/Annke’s SPoE/xPoE.

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